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[Laikasule]

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In your opinions, what are the good points and the bad points of Peter Jackson’s movies?

I don’t think there are many bad points, but… every now and then, you feel that he has to reach out for an audience of teenagers, of female teenagers, and he has to do something to amuse them, so there is a scene in which Legolas skateboards down the steps, at Helm’s Deep. I can’t help thinking that skateboarding is not really part of Middle Earth. All right, and then there’s Gimli who is made into a comic figure. There are a lot of jokes about dwarf-tossing. I don’t know quite what is funny about dwarf tossing but it seems to be a popular idea in the United states of America and in Australia but I hope nowhere else. I don’t think we needed those jokes, so there we are.
The good things. The good thing is that Jackson is quite prepared to be quiet and not to bee noisy. There’s a very good quiet scene in the third movie, there’s a violent action scene with the trolls battering down the door to get into the second level of Minas Tirith and during this Gandalf sits with Pippin who is afraid, and talks to him very quietly about death and consoles him in a way,
taking the words from an earlier chapter of The Lord of the Rings, which Jackson has taken out and inserted in this point, and that’s very moving, I think. In same sort of way, it’s very good thing, I think, to see in the Council of Elrond, which Jackson changed very much from its original, and in this scene it ends up, as it does not in Tolkien, it ends up with everybody shouting and arguing with each other. In the middle of this Frodo says “I will take the Ring.” And nobody hears him because they are all shouting, but Gandalf hears and turns towards him and Frodo again says “I will take the Ring.” and Everybody goes quiet, because they realize that Gandalf is paying attention to Frodo, and not to them. And then Frodo says “I will take the Ring... but I do not know the way.” Well, that’s different from the way Tolkien did it, but I think very powerful and very suggestive. So, one of the quiet scenes actually again changed from its original place… In Tolkien, Frodo, when he realizes what’s happening, quite early on, says to Gandalf “I wish this hadn’t happened in my time.” and Gandalf says “So do all who live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us”. Well, Jackson takes this out of its context And has Gandalf talking to Frodo in the Mines of Moria, there’s nobody else listening, it’s all quiet and it’s just the two of them talking quietly. And then, at the very end of the first movie, when Frodo is about to set off on its own, he hears Gandalf, whom he thinks he’s dead, talking to him. You see Gandalf projected on the screen, there’s a voice over, and it says the same words, but this time it doesn’t say “them”, it says “You”. All “you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given you.”, so it becomes much more direct and much more personal Well, there are several moments like that, I think and I appreciate how Jackson has kept his thoughts on the core of the original story and not be completely distracted by the violent scenes and the action scenes.

[JulianörElPeregrinoNegro]

Empecemos porque Peter Jackson NO PODÍA quedarse solo con las escenas de violencia y acción porque tenía delante suyo un libro como "El Señor de los Anillos", y no Rambo 3. Decididamente la mezcla entre acción y calma no es tanto mérito suyo, ya que se ve muy presente en el libro las escenas de combate mezcladas con actos heroicos y grandes discursos.
Por otro lado alaba el hecho de que PJ le halla puesto cosas a la película de su propia cosecha, cambiando lo que pasa en el libro.... Decididamente NO. Únicamente se mencionan acá los dos o tres cambios que más o menos no hacen gran cosa, pero se olvida de cosas imperdonables como la escena en que Frodo desconfía de Sam y le dice que se vaya (ESA SITUACIÓN NO TIENE NINGÚN SENTIDO, NI SIQUIERA PARA LOS CAMBIOS QUE YA VENÍA APLICANDO ANTERIORMENTE).
Por último, con la crítica estoy de acuerdo, je


PD: ¡OJO!, la película me encantó y la vuelvo a ver varias veces, pero por todo el trabajo que él NO hizo (el trabajo de ciertos actores remarcables, todo el vestuario, efectos especiales, armas, música, etc.). Peter Jackson me parece mediocre como guionista y como director lo único reconocible es que se haya bancado 3 años (pero vaaaaaaaaamos, quién no se bancaría 3 años en lugares hermosos filmando "El Señor de Los Anillos")
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[Ian Nottingham]

Excelente tu nota Laika.
Larga vida a Peter Jackson por ponerle la cereza a la torta.

[Erendis]

[Laikasule]

No me queda muy claro Juliano por qué te parece imperdonable que Frodo desconfíe de Sam y le diga que se vaya.
Creo que en el libro hay situaciones que justifican esa escena. En una parte Frodo le dice que se vaya , en otra parte lo insulta: lo trata de “ladrón” (en este insulto Tolkien está sugiriendo que Frodo se está transformando en un nuevo Gollum) e incluso -en un transitorio estado de paranoia- lo ve como un orco.


En el film, el conflicto Frodo/Sam tiene antecedentes (que también son variantes jacksonianas para mí muy interesantes, que se podrían analizar con detalle) en Las Dos Torres y antes en el el mismo El Retorno del Rey. Es decir, en el film Frodo no toma sorpresivamente la decisión de echar a Sam. El guión nos estaba anunciando que la discordia entre los dos iba en aumento a partir del encuentro con Gollum.

[Marto]

[Ian Nottingham]